[penetrator]

Originally Posted by tom

Bilbo,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but cheering for the opposition when England is playing ain't a Scottish phenomenon by any stretch of the imagination.

The problem others see is that the English seem to think that they have some God-given right to success when the reality is, excepting the World Cup where you played all your games at Wembley, the English team has achieved the same amount of success as Scotland, Wales, Spain, The Faroe Islands, Liechtenstein and the USA in major football championships ............... absolutely zero.

We dont think we've got a god given right to success at all no matter how many bitter Sweatys try to portray that as the case, we just think that given the players at our disposal we should be doing better than we are. Check out the FIFA and UEFA rankings over the last 10 years or so and see how many English players are high up the list - Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Rooney, Owen etc etc. If we had a team as bereft of top flight talent as Scotlands we wouldn't feel we should be doing better.

And yes cheering for the other team when England play isn't only a Scottish phenomenon, a lot of the nations that have had a good kicking from the English over the years do it

[penetrator]

Originally Posted by Gildas

Oh yes you do!

Every time England crash to yet another defeat there is the usual slack jawed look of shock and bewilderment on the faces of the entire fucking nation, this despite having won fuck all in the last 41 years.

As I already explained this is because we should be doing better with the players we've got. And it isn't just the English who are bewildered that we underachieve so frequently, how comes people of the undoubted football genius of Beckenbauer, Pele and Cruyff think the same !

[tom]

Penetrator,

No need to get into the Sweaty nonsense and giving anybody a good kicking ..............

Perhaps that is part of the problem at international level .......... having one or two so-called superstars doesn't make a team. It seems to me that the English (press) elevates individuals (Gazza, Hoddle, Beckham, Owen etc etc) way beyond levels that can be reasonable expected of any individual only to turn on them when those expectations aren't realised. Contrast that with the situation elsewhere in Europe where the focus is very much on the team rather than individuals. As for Rooney, Owen, Gerrard, Lampard etc etc, perhaps credit should be given to their team mates, most of whom aren't English but who will be playing in Euro 2008 and their managers, again, most of whom aren't English.

Anyway, look on the bright side ....... getting beat by Croatia means that you have successfully managed to avoid getting drawn against the Jocks on Sunday.

[penetrator]

When I use the name Sweaty I dont use it in a demeaning way.

I just dont like the way many Sweatys/Jocks/Macs/Scots or whatever you wanna call them cant wait to jump onto the bandwagon and accuse the English of arrogance because we feel that a team that regularly contains 4 or 5 players from FIFA's world player of the year shortlist should be doing better. The sum of the parts is not adding up and because we're not happy about that we're accused of arrogance. We dont mind so much if we play our best game and lose to a better team but when we play like a bunch of pussies I think we've got every right to ask questions and demand answers.

[mack]

It's so much easier here. Our team is never going to be a top one and we know it, so we expect nothing. Then if they do advance farther than the "experts" thought, we're pleasantly surprised. This is only is for the World Cup; that's the only time most sports fans here follow our "soccer" team.



























Okay I'm outta the footie debate now.

[Bilbobaggins]

Gildas, if you aren't English, why do you support an English team???
Also, if the rest of the 'home nations' weren't bothered about England leaving that tournament, why didn't you carry on without us?
I will tell you why , it's because without England that tournament would be fuck all, and no cunt would be interested in it so

[Bilbobaggins]

face it Gildas, you only used to like it because it was the only chance you ever had of rising above the supposed arrogance of the English, in reality, the FA called it right, back then, you WEREN'T good enough for us to play on a regular basis.
Over about the last 7/8 years the jocks have been improving and are probably as good as us in a 90 minute game, only due to the passion and fight in their players, something sorely lacking in ours.


Question for you all, name any other British players that y ou think would be good enough to play for England, that should stir a hornets nest, I am not trying to be controversial, just asking who you might think is better than the players we have now. A year ago, maybe more Giggs would have walked into our team, but now? Possibly. Healy? Gordon?
Let the debate begin

[mack]

Originally Posted by Bilbobaggins

Question for you all, name any other British players that you think would be good enough to play for England, that should stir a hornets nest, I am not trying to be controversial, just asking who you might think is better than the players we have now.

I'd say adding Heather Mills would improve your footie team.

[Bilbobaggins]

you are probably not wrong mack, thats the sad truth.........

[Bilbobaggins]

Martin Buchan, the biggest cunt that ever walked the earth.
That prick effectively ended Colin Bells career, one of the finest midfielders in the world at the time.
Worst thing about that? We didn't even get a fucking free kick for his assault.
Gildas, bit touchy?
No scottish teams worthy of your support?