[simie]

Have to say both Foz and Old Crust do raise some good points as I must admit Rugby Union is far from perfect. But I would'nt right it off just yet. Just as we can critise some things about rugby one could do the same thing about football which IMHO is far from perfect these days.
Just on a few off those points raised, yes there has been too much messing about with the laws and not to the games benefit, so that could do with attention. Yes impact injuries are a problem now, I used to pay No.8 in my youth but no way I'd be big enough these days. I agree the wage cap in the Guiness premiership is too low, but I think there should be one at some level to keep wages at a sensible level. Being a Wasps man it comes easy to slag off Leicester (sorry!) but perhaps one of the problems with Jonno is that he is Leicester through and through? And yes the ref was poor with his handling of the scrum yesterday, but just look at football they never stop moaning about the ref so its far from restricted to rugby.
Simie.

[old crust]

Originally Posted by simie

Just as we can critise some things about rugby one could do the same thing about football which IMHO is far from perfect these days.

Don't get me started on what's wrong with football. It's been going down hill since they did away with goal average.

Being a Wasps man it comes easy to slag off Leicester (sorry!) but perhaps one of the problems with Jonno is that he is Leicester through and through?
Simie.

Feel free to slag them off, but remember Wasp's were a close second in the cheating stakes. Jonno is a good bloke off the field, but like most people from the Tigers they think their way is the only way. Some good foreign coaches have walked away from Welford Road because of interference from the Board who want to be involved in how things are organised on the pitch.

[simie]

OC, yes as you say Wasps far from perfect either and it was really just a bit of banter on my part! As for yesterdays game it was pretty dire and I think your right about Leicesters rather "blinkered" perhaps approach to things? I would have to say that Jonno seems to have brought that approach to England and its just not working. Why he has stuck to some of the underperforming players he has is beyond me, loyalty? One change he did make yesterday was to bring Joe Worsley back in, who I thought was our best player. But he really must wield the axe big time before the France game IMHO?
Simie.

[old crust]

Originally Posted by simie

Why he has stuck to some of the underperforming players he has is beyond me, loyalty? One change he did make yesterday was to bring Joe Worsley back in, who I thought was our best player. But he really must wield the axe big time before the France game IMHO?
Simie.

I agree we need to change the team, but who will come in and make a real difference? I think the changes need to be deeper and maybe remove the Leicester influence from the rest of the coaching team. Leicester have always had a crude approach to the game, based more on brutal beasting sessions than skills.

[simie]

Andy Robinson he's English, used to be England manager at one time and previously played for Bath.
Simie.

[old crust]

Spot on Woodman. League is far superior to Union.
A lot of Union watchers would need to keep drawn out scrums, rucks and mauls though, as it gives them plenty of time to have a nip of brandy from their flasks while not missing any 'entertainment'.

[simie]

I can understand why many people love league but its just not for me I'm afraid, we have to agree to differ?! England at the moment need a change of attitude and big kick up the arse. Nice to see the French keeping the ball in hand a bit and actually going over the try line! Would be nice if England started doing the same.
Simie.