[gonzo]

Originally Posted by WankingWodger

Personally I hope it is a Yes vote so we can get rid of the idiots like Cameron, Clegg and Miliband ruining the country and get a decent socialist government instead of ones that suck up to the banks and businesses instead of looking after the people they govern

That won't even happen in Scotland, how the hell do you think the Scots voting yes would make that happen in rUK?

[kuranda_bagman]

Originally Posted by WankingWodger

Personally I hope it is a Yes vote so we can get rid of the idiots like Cameron, Clegg and Miliband ruining the country and get a decent socialist government instead of ones that suck up to the banks and businesses instead of looking after the people they govern

I thought that if the vote is yes the Scottish seats in the UK Parliament would no longer exist and as the majority of these seats are held by labor MP’s it would weaken the chances of a socialist government ever being elected?

[WankingWodger]

Originally Posted by kuranda_bagman

I thought that if the vote is yes the Scottish seats in the UK Parliament would no longer exist and as the majority of these seats are held by labor MP’s it would weaken the chances of a socialist government ever being elected?

More scare tactics , Labour didn't need the Scottish Labour votes/seats in their last 3 wins

[soi 2]

If Labour have 30 or 40 less MP's they might not be finished but it's going to make life a hell of a lot harder for them.

[soi 2]

Well the polls are shut now. Need to wait and see if I wake up in the morning and live in a foreign country. Here's some images of the campaign that has ripped this country apart. Alex Salmond's legacy will be one of hate and division. Sectarian divides that have diminished since Northern Ireland calmed down have exploded into life.

I was talking to a senior policeman at the gym today. Riot police are on stand by in Glasgow. He reckons if it's a NO there will be 'a bomb in a populated area within the next two years.'

At the start of this I never thought this might descend into a Northern Ireland but that's looking ever more likely.

All of a sudden Scotland is not such a nice place to live. Stay tuned for the news tomorrow night and see what happens.





Ireland and Palestinian flags out for the yessers...





The Unionist backlash. 20,000 Orangemen march through Edinburgh . It took two and a half hours for the last band to leave the Meadows after the first one left.



Kilwinning Lodge



Irvine







Party planned...



Are you surprised at what you see ? Did you think it would be like this ? I didn't. But this has taken on a life of it's own. Salmond has unleashed this force and it's not going to go away quietly.

[soi 2]

Great article from Archie Macpherson in todays Daily Record

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/po...mouths-4278569

Independence referendum: Don't let Salmond's loudmouths bully their way to a Yes vote, says Archie Macpherson

THE veteran TV football commentator says change can be brought without erecting needless borders and, by instead respecting the aspirations which emerge from different environments and mutual understandings.

AS a veteran of countless Old Firm games I am not unacquainted with abuse .

Indeed, until recently I thought I had developed an immunity from anything thrown at me. Then something penetrated the armour.

It was in Shettleston Road last week beside the tenement close of my birth.

We were doing a group walkabout for the No campaign with cameras, to illustrate my association with the east end of Glasgow.

For the latest news on polling day you can follow our blog by clicking here

Suddenly a head popped out from a window above us, clocked our identity then roared at me, ‘F*** off, you English *****.’

Off the top of the head I couldn’t think of a genial reply as the ‘English’ bit kind of threw me.

Seen too often sitting in a studio with the likes of Jeremy Paxman and Frank Bough and David Coleman?

No. This was simply fever, red-necked, red-faced raw hatred that has been induced by those in the Yes camp who are ceaselly affronted by contradictions to their own views.

Is there any real difference between that gut response from a tenement window and of the more sophisticated response to the views of Lady Louise Richardson the Principal of St Andrews university.

She was confronted by the Salmond administration and by an adviser who wanted to put words in her mouth in token acceptance of Scottish Government policy on research council funding for universities.

There is no difference. One might be loud and abusive, the other quietly sinister in its implications but they marry at the point of refusal to accept there is another view of the world.

Indeed what we are seeing calamitously is the birth of a new breed we might call Little Scotlanders.

They relish borders, truncate identity, and stamp on the phrase that Scots gave real meaning to, ‘We’re a’ Jock Tamson’s bairns.’

The crudity of their responses in the streets to the walkabouts which are becoming more scary for the No campaign than were they to try it in downtown Baghdad is symptomatic of the Yes squad’s simple lust for power, of being told the promised land is now within their grasp although they dare not tell us the real consequences of such a prospect.

There is another world for all of us, that does not erect needless borders but respects the aspirations which emerge from different environments and the mutual understandings which can still be reached to work towards eliminating some of the worst social problems in any part of the UK.

People on the left who think they can turn their backs on the unity which gave us so much benefit through the decades just because everything has not worked out to their satisfaction through Westminster are missing a vital point.

Social change is an on-going process. Affairs are not set in stone because there is a Tory/Coalition goverment.

I cannot desert those in the south who could be thrown to the mercy of right-wing Little Englanders as a result of independence.

Such withdrawal into parochialism offends every value I was brought up with.

We are being asked to contemplate a plunge into the unkown with scant explanation of the consequences.

That vacuum is being masked by emotional appeals to nationhood, the obverse side of which is the abuse which so many are now receiving and which makes the display of a No sign seem like the act of a masochism.

No doubt that view will hardly sit well with those placard-waving people trying to bully the BBC into doing,....... well what exactly?

Their incoherence ought to be matched by the calm response of the Corporation to carry on the John Reith tradition established when he stood up to Churchill in 1922 during the General Strike and refused to let his beloved BBC be a mouthpiece for the government.

In the hours that are left it is difficult to see how the toxic nature of the campaign can be buried like nuclear waste for all time.

When Jim Sillars spoke movingly at the funeral of his greatly respected wife Margo Macdonald he uttered her wish that by midnight of the 18th we can forget the tussle and live with one another in respect.

Then Jim not that long ago ups and warns the banks that there would be a reckoning on them for their attitude to independence.

Doesn’t sound promsing, does it Jim?

However, he and I will and others will somehow have to call on that universal trait of common-sense to realise that one way or other it will be over.

It won’t be easy. But otherwise Scotland will be a spiritual desert, in or out of the Union.

[simie]

Fish face has got a lot to answer for all this. He should be investigated as to the way the yes campaign was run. Bare faced lies and intimidation through out. The bloke should really be in prison.
Simie.

[soi 2]

It's over. Common sense prevails.

[Sancho]

Originally Posted by soi 2

It's over. Common sense prevails.

Glasgow was fairly strongly saying Yes....

Pleased with the result & hopefully a wake up call for Westminster to treat the Scots a lot fairer

[gonzo]

Just as I was on the verge of binning the scotch eggs in the fridge too.