Before we go any further I'd just like to say I don't expect to see eye to eye with everyone. That's why I like it on here. We can beg to differ.
Just off the top of my head I can think of two great mates Roamer and Soi 2. We always have a beer and a laugh but we don't agree on a lot regarding Pattaya. No problem for us and hope you feel the same.
I'm speaking the truth when I say most Thai /Falang relationships I have seen have ended in failure. I'm actually surprised you can say 'many' successful relationships. I personally don't agree that they make good wives and cultural differences cannot be ignored if your TG isn't happy with what she is sending home.
A good wife to me would put you and her first not some manky family in the jungle.
I agree with all of that but many Thai girls doent send money home and many dont live in what you call a manky jungle. Thats your experince not mine. Quite the opposite in fact. My wifes family are more than self supporting and although they do live in a village outside of Korat its affluent busy and progressive.
Its also a great place to live and has improved hand over fist in the last 10 years. The biggest wanker in the village and the local drunk is a farang who's wife works in the Uk and sends him money 20000bht a month I believe..
However my wife doesnt get on with her mother (her parents are divorced) although she has great respect for her father who is the loacl head man, so we dont visit often.
It's possible you and your circle of friends have plenty of money. If that is the case then I admit life may be a lot easier for you than for somebody living month to month like most of the blokes I know who have married TG's.
Yes we have plenty of money but I didnt have so much when I met my Thai wife. In fact her contribution helped considerably when she came to the Uk. She brought with her a very sizable bank balance mainly from free employee shares in the company she had worked for in BKK (ATT). So again its most of the blokes you know and the sort of girls they have taken up with that understandably cloud your assessment. My wife also speaks excellent english and had some Thai college education which she enhanced in the UK. The only time she stopped working was for the birth of our daughter now 7.
My daughter in law came to the Uk from the same company and married my son she is now a qualified nurse in the UK after many years of hard work. What she sends home is insignificant compared to what she provides to her Uk marraige. In fact they have bought and paid for a house in the Uk in the last 10 years she contributes a sizable part of this from her earnings. This girl in fact left school at 15 and studied and graduated in LOS while working in BKK.
You put over some fair points but the facts and figures are on my side. A newbie would be better off taking my advice than yours. TG's in Pattaya are bastards. We are on a Pattaya board after all. That's where most will be meeting them not off a dating site.
I've got to ask you. How long have you and all these other happy couples been together?
The longest Thai couple I know in the Uk have been together for 16 years. I have been married to my Thai wife for nearly 14 years and my son to his wife for 10 years now. I agree your advice may well seem reasonable for many of the BMs newbies who visit a board based on bar girls in Pattaya and I am not disputing that , but you go much much futher. In fact your comments are insulting to many of the Thai people I know nothing less.I think all newbies should know that many farangs do find real happiness with Thai partners and many would reject completely your assessment of Thai culture and personality. I certainly do. But I dont blame you as a person, I blame your lack of experience of real Thailand.
Thats quite common with those who come to LOS for sex (or see it as the focus of their stay no matter how long) and have not tried to enhance their knowledge or situation. The fact is many exapts are the worst offenders and the most ignoarnt of real Thai people.
I probably do sound unhappy at the moment. Jaded as well. Why?
Well, I work here for starters.
Thats your choice. work is often somthing that reduces the quality of life in your case it seems to have done it as I certainly couldnt live under the same pressures you do. Not worth it.
I don't just mix with Pattaya types. I work in a Bangkok office and everyone has a degree. The problem is they are no different.
I'm not going to put it on here but let's just say I'm not impressed. The whole race are thieving, dishonest lazy bastards. From the top to the bottom. Yes, English people are shit as well but nowhere near as bad as Thai's. I really dislike them.
That last bit shows your problem. English people are not shit but like many they have shit thrust upon them and cant avoid the smell sticking sometimes !!
In LOS how you treat people results in how they treat you. In that you seem not to have been very successful and you dont seem to me to be the sort of person who would thrive in anything other than the culture you were brought up in. But thats just a view from your posts.
They are incapable of seeing falangs as anything other than easy money. The cleaner at my condo summed it up for me. She asked me to get her a falang. I asked why she wanted one?
Answer? ' I not want to work anymore'
That should be added to the Walking Street sign as far as I'm concerned.
I can see a holiday maker would like Thai people. Land of smiles and all that shit.
I'll give you a couple of examples.
We (wife and I) know a lovely old Thai couple who do massage at the market in Rang Sit. They only charge 59 baht. We always give them 200 and they love us to bits. You know the score. Smile OTT falang good mak mak jai dee.
Few weeks ago I take my mate Damion down there. We are all getting the foot massage when the old girl asks my wife about my mate. Has he got a girlfriend?
When my wife said no she then picks up her phone and makes a call.
Some cracking little young TG turns up no more than 18 years old.
We all look confused then my wife starts speaking to her. To cut a long story short the girl wants Damion to be her boyfriend.
Dammo is all confused so my wife explains. The girl needs somebody to pay for her school. If Dammo pays she'll be his bird. Simple.
So the family will whore her out to some falang cunt if he saves them the school fee's. Lovely.
Thai's do not like anyone outside of their family. Trust me.
Yes, my Dad gave my Mum her house keeping every week but it was different. She spent it ALL on us paying bills and buying shopping and clothes. If my Dad hadn't given it to her we would have all gone without.
A TG wants monthly money to send to her family. If you stop giving it to her she will either stay with you and fuck behind your back or just set herself up with another bloke and leave you.
The above is purely your inabilty to understand the wide variety of values in LOS its not any sort of evidence of the sort you are suggesting. You mix in sad circles so expect to be sad.
In fact these people are certainly better than say many trailer trash in the USA or Council house benifit snatchers in a Manchester back street. Who dont even work but expect benifits that pay for everything. No that is 'low life' not someone who tries to enhance their life and that of others by whatever means.
LOS is going through rapid changes and in fact in the Uk 150 years ago many working class women gladly turned tricks for the rent.
You have a real hang up about sex a poor apprectaion of culture and no idea of history.
A fair deal in my opinion would be to get both your wages. Pay the bills then take the same amount as sends her family and place it in your own personal savings account. I'd like to bet there isn't enough money to do that so shes on the winning side every time.
Well my wife and my sons wife and others I know put most of their wages in the Uk in to a joint account with their husbands Like anywhere else. The only complaint I have is my wife used to spend nothing and wouldnt dream of wasting money. Now she likes a bargain (which is often only a bargain if you wanted it in the first place she has never grasped that suttle reality) and loves shopping and car boot sales etc. Its a measure of her confidence. I love to see her spending as I know she is happy.
Thai's make living in LOS as difficult as possible for falangs. They don't want you here simple. Yes, come for 2 weeks with about £3000 to spend then fuck off. You can't own anything like a house or land. Even if you marry one of the bastards it won't help you get a permanent visa. It's a nightmare and getting worse.
If you do ever live here you will get used to being watched 24/7
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Most of that is true sure Thai people need to address the fact but democracy isnt really a reality in LOS yet there is too much corruption. After all their PM has Uk citizenship, but he can own land in LOS so I fully agree with that and its one reason I no longer live in LOS (altjougn I have done so) and have sold my buisness intrests in BKK. I though it was all getting worse that it even used to be. Two guys I know now live in Malaysia and in spite of Islam (which is always a problem in the background) have many benifits they couldnt exepct in LOS.
Has he dropped something?
How can get money from him?
How much has he left for tip?
Is his house secure?
I could go on. As I said before UK is shit but it's a lot worse here.
I'm jaded on Thai people for sure but they have made me like that.