"The World At War....Stalingrad"
 

IMHO...from the bestest series about WW2..."The World At War"...featuring Sir Laurence with the narration....chapters 1-5 of the epic battle for Stalingrad.

Funnily enough the Stalingrad episode of World at War was on BBC2 yesterday according to the telly guide.

Not being anti American but it amazes me when Americans and sometimes British claim that "we won the war" when 80% of all German casualties were sustained on the eastern front and battles like Stalingrad and Kursk totally dwarf anything that went on in the west.

If your interested in the war on the eastern front you should watch a Russian movie called 'Come and see', I bought it a couple of years back. Probably the best WWII film ever made.

I read the book about Stalingrad by Antony Beevor while on my last trip.
Amazing what they all went thru.
I think you will also find a hell of a lot of the casualties on both sides were down to the conditions.
Also didn't realise that up to 50,000 Russian national fought for the Germans.....:wtf:
Great book, well worth reading.

Intersting listing of fatalities by nation...military/civilian...for WW2...

http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/casualty.html

love the WW2 stuff,currently reading hitlers 3rd reich the rise and fall its bigger than the bible gonna take an eternity

crazy figures, never realised the romanians and bulgarians had much involvement during the war

The Romanians main war contribution apart from their oil was to fail to hold their line outside of Stalingrad and allow the Soviets to encircle the city, useless fuckers.

who knows how many civilians died...anyones guess...the listing left off all the military/civilian deaths in the PI, Malta, North Africa, Burma and the rest of SEA and a whole bunch of other areas that will come to mind in a minute or so....a flawed listing for sure.

The book will tell you the real reasons why Pen.
Lack of food, clothing, weapons, ammunition.........
They only had 3 anti-tank weapons between the whole army!
They were under-nourished and emanciated, the Russian spies were right when they said the Romanians were the weakest point of the front line.

the prelude to Stalingrad...Operation Barbarossa...

Tommie, if you're interested in the Great Patriotic War (WW2 Russian Front) there's some cracking documentaries by BBC/History channel on you tube. Search for Eastern Front, Battlefield and the like. Also, loads of documentaries on website "Surf the Channel".

:cheers: m8...thanks for that:thumbsup:

"World At War....Pacific"....

Britain Stands Alone.....

HBO the pacific is pending tommie dancing

:cheers: Si...sounds interesting:detective:...documentary or miniseries?:sherlock:

miniseries just like band of brothers

I remember fig and bilbo discussing WW2 snipers and ran across this clip .....

from HBO's "Band Of Brothers"...."Crossroads"...

Tommie, interesting clip about the Soviet snipers. Good link - thanks.

If you like stuff like this I'd recommend having a look on e-bay or amazon for Sven Hassel books. Legion of the Damned and Wheels of Terror are a good read. A Danish volunteer to the German army in WW2. Not snipers but in the tanks. Great wartime action re-living the Eastern Front from a German perspective.

not many of em left now tommie, shifty powers passed on not long back, winters is deteriorating.

I used to read them avidly when I was a kid. I was never sure how authentic they were.

In the 1st book in the series which was a lot more factual and less sensational than the rest half of the characters that appeared in later books died. If you compared the chronology it was all wrong.

I used to read the Leo Kessler books which were very similar and claimed to be written by a German guy that fought in WWII.

Leo Kessler was the pen name of a Lecturer in History from Hull.........!!

Both series were highly entertaining whether they were true or false. I`m going for a root around in my attic because I am sure I still have them somewhere

Woodman I know what you mean about the Sven Hassel books. The first few books are the best and the chronology of the books would have him in two places in one time. They're still a great read and personally I'd rate the first few as amongst the best wartime books I've read. Imho nearly up there with Michael Herr's - Dispatches.

A book I've meant to read was The Devils Guard. Out of print now and available on ebay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Guard
If you like Sven Hassel I think this would be a good read.

Finished it yet Si? :snigger:

One of the most interesting books i have ever read is 'A bodyguard of lies' written by Sir Anthony Cave Brown. Its about joint intelligence during WWII. The backbone of many war novels are based on the facts in this book.

i quit that book a while back

The next miniseries from HBO tommie heres a trailer

its got alot to do to out do band of brothers
looks like theres a love story in it too not too fond of that idea

'ere ya go Si...a couple scenes from one of me fave WW2 films...."The Big Red One"....starring Lee Marvin:thumbsup:....